Polyphasic sleep: Fundamental motivation and preparation, Day minus 7

by Marc on December 15, 2008

I am starting a new blog specifically for my experiment in Polyphasic / Uberman’s sleep as I don’t want to overload the Marc’s life and travels list with long introspective posts and daily sleep logs.  I suspect most people on the “Marc’s life” list think I am insane already and I don’t want to give them further evidence of this unless they ask for it by clicking-through a link in an email.  This blog is unedited and I am making no particular effort to be concise either.  If you want some background on who I am and where I am coming from see Lifestyle Design School – About this site. If you like this site and/or feel a resonance with it, please subscribe via box on the left, either via email or RSS.

Fundamental motivation

As I am preparing to attempt this experiment – without a doubt the most radical lifestyle and consciousness experiment of my life – I am realizing my motivations are more complex than what I had expressed in my previous article, where I described my main short-term motivation as greater income.

My relationship to Time and Money

The truth is that I have had a tortured relationship to time and money as long as I can remember.

When I was a teenager, and had so much time on my hands (if only I had known then how precious time was…) I never could make myself do the things that I thought would give me the results I was seeking (ie. become “popular” or somehow remarkable and worthy of attention through study and self-improvement).  Which was probably a good thing, as I didn’t have a clue then what I really wanted or needed, and so getting the things that I thought I wanted may not have been helpful.  The seeds of my resistance to any kind of structure – internally or externally imposed – were laid in those years. Structure is only as useful as the underlying values and maturity that create it.  The Nazis had fabulous structure.

When I became a young adult, I was still trying to work this out, and for many years I worked only a few days a week, by choice.  Eventually, this didn’t quite do it for me either (I was lonely, unhappy and quite depressed for almost two decades), and so I started throwing myself obsessively into various business projects which were designed on the surface to give me financial independence, in the style of Joe Dominguez book Your Money or Your Life, which had a profound impact on me.  But in actual fact all these efforts were about giving me a sense of purpose and identity.  I wanted to be a successful entrepreneur, which is an identity.

Ultimately none of these projects worked out. In one case, I did manage to sock away about $100k over about 3 years, then promptly lost two-thirds of it on the stock market.  I understood eventually that I lacked the emotional maturity and self-awareness to do anything with that money. God caused me to lose it because I did not have a good use for it.

I continued in this way, alternately pursuing money and pursuing community (I couldn’t quite make up my mind), until my early forties when I met Rebekah and took on supporting a family.  All of a sudden my expenses doubled, and then they tripled. I went on another entrepreneurial kick (a web design business) that also failed, after having given it my “all” for 3 years. This was a bit over a year ago, and I’ve been recovering from that ever since, emotionally and financially.

At that point I made an important decision however, which is that I was not cut-out to be an “entrepreneur”, as I had no real interest in becoming wealthy (ie. I lacked the “definiteness of purpose and burning desire” of which Napoleon Hill speaks in “Think and Grow Rich”).  I also gave up on “financial independence” as an unnecessary, and perhaps even counter-productive step, to the attainment of happiness. This includes so-called “passive-income generating internet businesses” that have become the obsession of an entire generation of Americans, and of which less than 1% ever amount to anything – but don’t get me started on that, I wrote about it already in What is Lifestyle Design. I put “Entrepreneur” within quotes as it’s not really possible for me to “give it up” as it’s who I am – I am just not interested in “entrepreneurship” in the business sense, I am interested in entrepreneurship in the sense of a continuous exploration of the frontiers of consciousness.  That was my original error in creating all these businesses, in that to succeed at anything you must be passionate about it. These blogs are my passion. They will eventually monetize (generate income in some way), it’s unavoidable and karmically pre-ordained, but that may not happen for a while and there is no urgency about it.

Pursuing my passion, and the resolution of my relationship to money

The strange thing is that as soon as I gave up on my obsession around financial survival and just started living my life as best I could, doing the things that I had to do and the things that turned me on, I became happy all the time.  This started happening about 5 months ago and it happened largely through a virtual “explosion” in my writing, through the blogs Adventures in Relationship and Community and Lifestyle Design School.  When I got happy, all of a sudden money seemed much less important than it did before – even though I was as challenged as I had ever been in my life before.

Nowadays, I believe that money is about 10% of the problem of happiness. Authentic happiness is the same problem as, and has been variously referred to, as self-actualization (Maslow), integration of the personality (Jung), personal power (Shirley Luthman and others), the “Hero’s Journey” (Joseph Campbell) and learning how to love and be loved (Jesus Christ, Jerry Jud and Shalom Mountain, and many others).  This is the fundamental problem of being human, which underlies all other problems including ecology and sustainability, hunger, poverty, abuses in the international economic system, and loneliness.  It does not supercede all these problems (they still need to be adressed) but it underlies them.  Without love there is nothing, and with love all other problems either lose their importance or they resolve.  “Love bears all things” says Joseph Campbell.

But regarding my position on money (that it is really quite unimportant), you may think that I am an unusual case, that I have resources and skills that will ensure that it’s unlikely that I will ever go hungry or lose my home, etc., but this is not the same for an unemployed auto-worker or a waitress.  I don’t think that this is true.  I think that any reasonably intelligent person living in this culture of abundance (and even in a deep recession we’re still ten times better off than the rest of the world) could figure out how to be happy and thrive within whatever financial constraints they find themselves in – either by increasing their income or changing their lifestyle.  I have no desire to change my lifestyle as it’s a very rich and fulfilling way to live for me.  It also costs me a lot (at least in the short-term, until the commune business takes off) but this is a price I am prepared to pay.  The desire to live as cheaply as possible, which is a desire I had for many years and is very common in the “green” and “voluntary simplicity” crowd, is not always the best thing for one’s development.  Don’t get me wrong, I am all in favor of voluntary simplicity – but not as an obsession.  I draw the line at dividing Kleenex to make it last longer, as suggested in “Your Money or Your Life”.

I still have conflict about Time, however

But even as my relationship to money started resolving, I still had a huge conflict in my relationship to time.  As I took on a 40-hour office job, and learned that I could survive in it and even thrive, I got a freedom that I had never before experienced in my life, largely, as I explained above, through the development of my writing- which is my passion and, I believe, the reason that I was born.  However, my battle with time continued, and between my work and my writing I had very little time left to pursue interests and tasks such as inspirational reading, taking care of people in my community and my family, doing household chores and home maintenance, managing my paperwork and keeping up on my email.  There is nothing inherently unpleasurable in all these things – in fact these are all things that have been intensely enjoyable for me at different times in my life.  But I found that when I came home from a day in the office, finished cooking and cleaning and walking the dog and taking care of urgent household tasks, that I had about two hours to myself all day.  Weekends were spent resting and recovering.  Obviously this was an unsustainble lifestyle for someone of my temperament and ambitions.  It was nothing but a rat-race, and we weren’t even getting ahead on our debts despite the fact that I was working full-time.

What I finally realized was that my resentment around these daily tasks, and my work, which under “normal” circumstances might have been quite pleasurable, was directly related to the pressure I was putting on myself to do more, which simply wasn’t possible under the circumstances, and provoked an emotional backlash which was reminiscent of the problem of my adolescence and young adulthood (trying to force myself to do things that I did not want to do and which didn’t truly inspire me). This never works in the long term.

Einstein once said something like “a problem can only be solved by shifting the context that created it”. What I needed was a complete change in context, and discovering Polyphasic sleep through Steve Pavlina’s blog was that shift.  I also was “fortunate” enough to lose my job at about this time, which pretty well forced the issue. Steve Pavlina, incidentally, is my hero, his lifestyle has almost everything that I desire for myself, and I hope to meet him in person sometime.

The next article in this series (short story of my life) in Definiteness of purpose and a burning desire.

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Rebekah December 15, 2008 at 8:52 pm

It is certainly an ambitious plan. As your wife, how could I argue with your desire to create more time, when you want to do it so that you can be happier, more available to me, and an even better provider than you already are for me and our two daughters? I think the interesting part of the experiment is to see how your focus develops after the adjustment period. It is all well and good to have 21 hours a day, but what will you do with it? Will I like having the whole bed to myself for most of the night? Will you be able to nap anywhere (like my children did) or will you need a dark and silent room every four hours and what will this do to our social lives? For more on this and other issues as they appear, see my blog Wife of an UberSleeper.

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Suzanne Smith December 15, 2008 at 9:23 pm

Dear Marc:

i really enjoyed your posting. I don’t work full-time, I am on SSDI and can’t work and keep my monthly check if I make more than
$940.00 a month, before taxes. I can relate to your concern about caffeine. I am addicted to it. I really started to like coffee
when I was in high school. I developed a strong liking for iced coffee, in particular.

I have a friend of mine, Tom McCarry, who lives in California and who is a raw foodist. He has introduced me to that way of living.
I have incorporated more raw foods in my diet and would like to be cleaner. I am also starting to drink decaf and herbal teas.
I am inspired by what you say about your employment goals. I hope you can find a legitimate home-based business that would let
you have all the time to do the things you want to do.

I hope to see you at the next Integral Philly meetup. Great blog, I agree with much of it. I have to make some compromises
about sources of income and my priorities. I will try to make some trips to trellis house, if I have the time, and can get
there by public transportation.

Anyway, hope to hear from you soon.

Suzanne Smith

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Marc December 17, 2008 at 4:43 pm

My friend Para wrote (posted with his permission:
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good luck my friend, i’m curious because I know Amma does something similar, just enters samadhi once in a while for a short time and never needs to sleep as a result! Hope it works for you, I love the notion of it!
Jai Ma!

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Marc December 17, 2008 at 4:44 pm

Dear Para,
I am not against entering Samadhi from time to time, but will I then lose interest in writing blogs :-)
Marc

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JD February 8, 2011 at 11:18 pm

I see this post is a little dated, but still interesting to read. I came by this page because of the Uberman sleep method you mentioned. I will continue to look through your site and see if there is anymore information on how well you did. As for me, I keep a daily blog of my Polyphasic Sleep Project and the link is http://jdsportsonline.com/projects/polyphasic/polyphasic-sleep.html
I wish you the best :-)

JD

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Cheyenne February 28, 2011 at 11:02 pm

Just like JD, I’m afraid this blog is a bit dated, but I’m still searching around for information, due to my curiosity of uberman/everyman sleep methods.

I stumbled-upon your blog when researching Uberman sleep schedule techniques. I must say some of your insight has helped me make a decision and I have a few questions if you still are around and check this blog. I’d really appreciate it.

I have a long break that gives me just enough time to hopefully transition fully into polyphasic sleep patterns. The only problem I have is that my MWF and Tuesday schedules differ and it throws my schedule a bit out of wack. I was really curious if I could shift sleep patterns, just Tuesdays, a bit and still be okay and still remain refreshed after each sleep. If you have any information or would like to chat, let me know.

Thank you,
Cheyenne

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Marc March 2, 2011 at 10:48 am

Cheyenne,
I am experimenting with the same and I don’t have an answer yet. The Everyman schedule is reputed to be much more flexible than Uberman in terms of missed naps etc, but I don’t use strict schedules anyway, I think you should nap as long as you want to, the main point is to breakup the long night sleep. Keep me posted.

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JD March 2, 2011 at 9:53 pm

Missing time sessions, being late, early, it is all possible with Uberman as you can see by my daily logs. However, for the month of February I only averaged 3 hrs and 24 minutes a day of sleep. So, not true Uberman, as several times I overslept by an hour or more or something would happen. Also, I don’t really have any motivation to even sleep less, just wanted to try something new. As we move into March, I have started a new schedule, one I dubbed JDMan :-) Anyway, hopefully I can get down to under 3 hours a day for month of March.

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Marc March 3, 2011 at 4:26 pm

JD,
this is truly amazing (and inspiring). It actually fits very well with my ideas on this, which is that it’s possible to get a polyphasic sleep adaptation by simply following a more organic schedule driven by need. However this is different from what everyone else is saying about this, such as Steve Pavlina. What are you doing with all your free time, and are you experiencing any of the consciousness-altering effects that some people report with Uberman? Anyway I will return to your blog when I have a bit more time, thanks for sharing!

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JD March 4, 2011 at 12:07 am

It seems nearly everywhere you go when looking for info about Uberman the same information is said over and over. I touched on this briefly in this old post: http://jdsportsonline.com/projects/polyphasic/polyphasic-sleep-day-12.html

Since the information is so similar, it either meant it was the absolute truth or no one had really tried it for themselves. You can find a lot of people who have tried Uberman, but rarely does anyone stick with it. Hopefully I can break that 3 hour goal in March, because if I was doing this as a life choice, I would drop down to the Everyman and get around 4 hours a day. Uberman, after-a-while is very taxing with it get up, sleep, get up routine. Talked about that here: http://jdsportsonline.com/projects/polyphasic/polyphasic-sleep-day-34.html

lol.. sorry just thinking of my free time. I actually wrote about that too, in Day 34, but I have already gone link happy in this reply. I ended up developing a daily routine which was something like 20 hours long, so I never really got the free time benefit or even felt like I was gaining time. I am still stuck in that mode of ooh more time, means I can work more… lol..

The consciousness-altering effects are all over my blog posts in the beginning. They have either gone away or I am so used to dreaming while awake I just don’t really think of it as special anymore. However, yes, in the beginning to control dreams, was really cool.

Have a great day and Sleep Well…

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Marc March 4, 2011 at 8:43 am

JD,

I read your day-34 post and comments and will return when I have a bit more time. You are an interesting character, for sure, and we seem to have the same interest (obsession?) about productivity (don’t all polyphasers?). In your shoes, if I could stick to a 4-hour per day Everyman and be happy with that, that’s what I would do, the extra 1 hour seems hardly worth the effort, what you are doing is already a triumph…

As you are probably aware, however, your experience is very unusual under even “normal” circumstances.. let alone drinking coffee and beer ;). You probably know that Puredoxyk took about 15 people through an Uberman trial sometime after her and her friend’s successful experiment, and none of them succeeded. I think there have only been a handful of people in the world who have successfully adapted to Uberman, and none of them stayed for more than a year, as far as I know.

In any case this post of mine is really quite old, more of a philosoophical piece than an actual polyphasic article, it’s interesting that it’s starting to get attention two years after the fact, I need to give this entire blog a look-through. In my case it’s really more about quality of life and personal effectiveness than the number of hours of sleep.

Keep on rocking..

Cheyenne March 5, 2011 at 7:38 am

Thanks, both of you, for replying to such an old topic so quickly. It sure is odd, like you said, that after two years it’s getting some attention. I read through it all and found it very interesting. I also found JD’s website as well and was tabbing between them before I even realized the JD here was the same person from the other site, haha.

I feel like I may be doing the uberman/everyman for the wrong reasons, but I still would like to try. I am a very late-night person, I always have been. No matter when I have to get up, I always sleep at the same time, leaving with me too little sleep some days and too much sleep other days (Tuesdays and Thursdays, respectively).

While I do want more hours in the day my reasons don’t seem as valid as both of yours’. I am a 19 year-old student, and I figure I could use a lot of the time on class work, but again some work can be very boring or mundane and could contribute to straying from the schedule I set; such as reading lectures, etc.

Some questions I wanted to run by: one of which is how to keep the motivation to stay up even though you feel terrible those first couple days (or two weeks)? Also, what would be a good activity to fill time that is eventful enough to keep me up? Lastly, I read somewhere that there is 4-nap series where it’s 30 minutes every 6 hours. Would you recommend this over the 6-nap series? I’m also a bit under-read on the everyman, and have been focusing a bit too much on the uberman itself, some information on the everyman would be appreciated.

I would really like to at least make it to the point where my body accepts my sleep schedule, then decide if it’s for me or not. I don’t want to give up part-way through.

I’ll be starting next Thursday night, the beginning of my spring break. Would it be best to tire myself out or start on my naps right away? Ie, I have a car ride that night, I could get my first nap in.

I appreciate the help and speediness of your replies (both of you), and I apologize about the long read, I got a bit rambly at the end there.

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Marc March 5, 2011 at 11:56 am

Cheyenne,
Well, JD can give you better advice about Uberman than me, I don’t believe in sleep misery, that is part of the reason why hardly anyone succeeds, it is extraordinarily difficult to adapt even for those rare people who are constitutionally able to sustain Uberman (such as JD). I do believe in sleeping shorter at night and breaking up the day into 3 to 4 naps of 30 minutes to 1 hour, it’s what I call my modified Everyman, I am getting into it for real next week due to a compelling business need I have to carve more work hours out of the day, I will be posting on this soon.
The 30 minute nap schedule every 6 hours is called Dymaxion and was only ever done successfully by 1 person as far as I know, Buckminster Fuller.
If you want ideas on how to fill time check out Steve Pavlina’s long articles. However I don’t recommend Uberman, start with Everyman, even the classic Everyman (3 hours core + 3 x 30 min naps) is challenging enough.

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JD March 6, 2011 at 4:03 am

I would suspect the easiest way to get through the boring times is to play some sort of online MMORPG, such as Warhammer Online or something. I would do it myself but I have an addictive compulsive personality, so if I started playing, that is what I would be doing right now instead of posting this comment, lol. I really get involved in charts, graphs, programming, making my little toon the best in the “world” :-) Anyway, that should get your through those “boring” times. Currently, I just watch tv series from Netflix.

Dymaxion and Uberman are the hard core Polyphasic Sleep schedules. Everyman is perhaps “easier” but not really. It just depends on your perspective. Yes, to me, the classic, “standard” everyman is a piece of cake. However, I am coming from an Uberman background and over 4 hours of sleep a day is just over sleeping, but it sure does sound nice right now. lol… Anyway, there are schedules for just about all times from 2 hrs of sleep on. Everyman has a lot of “standard” variations, like Everyman 2 or 3 or 4 or 5. Each have a central theme with core amount of sleep and then other naps from 20 min to 30 minutes depending on which you follow. Most of people that succeed at Polyphasic sleep are following some sort of Everyman schedule and usually sleeping from 4 hrs to 6 hrs a day. Which is a great achievement in itself, don’t let my crazy sleep times think you need to get that low to be successful.

I started by just jumping in and seeing if my mind would adapt and it did. However, and this is a huge however and something I don’t think I have gone into. About 5 or so years ago, I was doing a project that required a lot of my time, so I tried Polyphasic and it really helped. The project ended after about 3 weeks or so and I went back to a “normal” sleep schedule. However, my mind changed during that time. Before that time I would lay awake in bed for hours and hours not falling asleep however after Polyphasic, I could fall asleep in less than a minute. This ability has stayed with me ever since. So, something will change in your mind so be aware of this. However, getting back to my point, fast forward to the present day and I when I started this Polyphasic project my mind was already conditioned and I took to it like a fish to water. So my success currently probably has a lot to do with I didn’t have to really go through the adjustment phase as so many others do. They eventually give up and never return and I bet many of those that tried it again may actually succeed especially if they were doing an Everyman type.

Well, lol, I think I post longer replies here than I actually post at my own blog.

Best of Luck,

JD

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Marc March 6, 2011 at 1:26 pm

JD -
I suspect all polyphasers are obsessive/compulsive personalities, lol. Heading over to your blog now and thanks for your nice comment

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Cheyenne March 6, 2011 at 2:24 pm

Thanks for that little bit of extra information. About the MMORPG thing, I as well, have an addictive personality that I would like to not explore things like WOW etc. I had been hooked on a browser mmo for something around 6 years and at the end of that run I’ve decided to stick to more console-based activities. I will get very much gaming time in but that isn’t my goal particularly lol.

I think I may have stumbled-upon my long-lost love for writing again. I’m a boring ole’ genetics major and I forgot how much I enjoy writing, whether fictional means or for essays etc.

I feel like on the side of my journal detailing my sleep schedule, I will probably continue to write upon a story I started about three hours ago and see what happens. Keeping busy is the best way to fight through this, so I need as many ideas as possible. I’m sure I’ll pick up some hobby to do. My roommate may not take kindly to my new schedule and it will be tough having to keep quiet for a few hours a night.

Anyway, gentlemen, I am just simply rambling now. I do appreciate your replies and the sort-of networking we’ve begun will be helpful to me. As long as this is okay with both of you; I’d like to keep in touch during this experiment and ask you questions, share thoughts etc whenever they may come up through these comments or whichever means.

One quick thing, Marc, you mentioned that you were posting something to the site about a modified everyman. Will it be published on this particular website or your other one (I remember reading about another site you used)?

Thanks guys, now off to my story I started: I fear I won’t get much sleep, I’ve got too many ideas to write down, heh.

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